Are you so self-important that you can't understand that I know, more than anyone in the entire guild, exactly what happened and why? No one in the guild, other than Smoke ofc, is more informed than me. Trust me dude, I still know things that the other VGMs do not know.pc_incorrecto wrote: Tactless, you sound like a broken record. OR, like you say, "seriously read the thread", duh. Benard started the thread not you, but you believe the world revolves around your logic.
You just want to rehash your vision of events which is fine, but really you need to get over me. Your obsession for me is borderline sick.
I know both Benard and Hulk love to blow a lot of hot air in the forums and that's fine with me [the entertainment is well worth it] but your nose is so far up leadership arse, your comments here in the forum is just a repeat of what's said by others. Now go brush the dirt off your knees and act like a man, instead of some sniffling little brown noser.
We all have views what has happen during the last two invasion into the 30s by [1st], but twisting the facts only serves those who made strategic and tactical mistakes. [UFA] leadership did not want to have an open debate about [1st] prior invasion, I know this to be a fact as others do at [UFA]. When I went to [TRO] from [UFA] when [1st] invaded the 30s, [TRO] was hoping that [UFA] would realize the dangers of [TBD/TRO] of being vaporized by [1st]. During that time I was in constant contact with many [UFA] members who wanted to join in the fight against [1st], but leadership remained mute.
And lol, why is it important who started the thread all of a sudden? Benard's title is, and I quote, "Adressing the UFA comments." Up to that point I had not posted or cared. Smoke has for all intents purposes quit the game, at least for the time being, and I subsequently, have found little about it to keep me entertained. Then I found the P&W forums. I am again entertained. As you know, I can never turn away from a good debate, especially when I'm armed with all the facts (which is almost always).
Why would you say my nose is up leaderships arse? I am leadership. As Smoke's brother-in-law, I've always been the most informed person in the guild other than he himself, and in his absence I was looked to for direction. I don't understand what your intentions are with this comment.
You keep trying to sound like everyone at UFA wanted war with 1st. You're directly misleading the conversation. You and maybe 8 or 9 other people wanted war with 1st. Out of a guild of 50, that does not everyone make. You got mad and left and went to TRO. Good for you, do what you wanted. No one in UFA had to stay either, they could have done what you did if they wanted to fight 1st. But you were in an awfully small minority, weren't you. Stop trying to make it sound like leadership went against the vast majority of opinions in the guild. They did not.
I'm sure that's true. But at the time, everyone knew where we stood and why. Hindsight being what it is, ofc we should have helped TRO/TBD during the invasion. Ofc we should have blown up w/e 1st fleet moved into the 30s every time it happened. We also shouldn't have tried to make peace with Benard in the lower 30s. We should have driven him and his guild out of our cluster last year. A lot of things should have been done differently if we truly expected 1st to backstab us like this. We also shouldn't have simpacted 75% of the server. We cut off our own food sources and what was the reason? To have friends who'd help us if/when 1st invaded? A lot of good that did. There's a lot to learn from here, Stone, you are correct. But it's not just in our dealings with 1st or TRO.Of course hindsight is everything, but it didn't take a genius to figure out that [1st] will eventually figure a way to justify an attack on [UFA]. Many players at [TRO] and yes the very same leaders at [TRO] who are now at [UFA] felt a sharp pain in their backs at that time. Many of them saying that one day soon [1st] will attack [UFA] and they'll do nothing but watch the carnage.
We can't change history, but we can certainly see what got us here from previous mistakes.
