Chronicles and strongholds of Omega V3, Return of the OP

[Saxon1812]

Take ILL for example, it makes it seem like they failed when in reality, it was a mutually decided merger.

Lol, ILL were getting their a**ses handed to them, so does that count still as a "mutually decided merger"?

[FrostyGoblin]

Take ILL for example, it makes it seem like they failed when in reality, it was a mutually decided merger.

Lol, ILL were getting their a**ses handed to them, so does that count still as a "mutually decided merger"?

Yeah, CROW got their asses handed to them mostly, but they would've survived for about another montyh but it would've killed lower 20s so they merged into IMP IE a mutually benefitial merge, Forced merges are when you press them so far into a corner that your members start leaving before a merge is decided, look to upper 20s where we force merged the decent players.

[BGoneWithU]

Take ILL for example, it makes it seem like they failed when in reality, it was a mutually decided merger.

Lol, ILL were getting their a**ses handed to them, so does that count still as a "mutually decided merger"?

Um, last I checked, no they didn't. There were a few galaxies that they got heavily farmed in, but the large majority of them never got hit except for maybe by DC in the early days and by ARM/Steam later on in the ID vs. Steam/ARM conflicts.

10-12 were always safe, 13 and 14 got farmed, 15 was safe, 16 got farmed, and the ILL in 17-19 joined up with ID early on.

[Hempcat]

Take ILL for example, it makes it seem like they failed when in reality, it was a mutually decided merger.

Lol, ILL were getting their a**ses handed to them, so does that count still as a "mutually decided merger"?

Um, last I checked, no they didn't. There were a few galaxies that they got heavily farmed in, but the large majority of them never got hit except for maybe by DC in the early days and by ARM/Steam later on in the ID vs. Steam/ARM conflicts.

10-12 were always safe, 13 and 14 got farmed, 15 was safe, 16 got farmed, and the ILL in 17-19 joined up with ID early on.

Shortly after 17-19 joined ID those in 14 joined STEAM. The writing was on the wall. Ill was doomed.

[FrostyGoblin]

Well, i'm just gonna make all of you mentally prepared to put ARM on here in the list of guilds that bit the dust, it's bound to happen soon.

[Hempcat]

Well, i'm just gonna make all of you mentally prepared to put ARM on here in the list of guilds that bit the dust, it's bound to happen soon.

IMO its done happened. ARM is fARM. Its what braindead LS gets you. Personal grudges should never be put above guild survival. Thats just plain.... you know

[BGoneWithU]

Well, i'm just gonna make all of you mentally prepared to put ARM on here in the list of guilds that bit the dust, it's bound to happen soon.

I'm debating on whether to ever put them on there. While they may have occasionally made it into the top 10 guilds, they weren't consistently top 10.

[FrostyGoblin]

I'm debating on whether to ever put them on there. While they may have occasionally made it into the top 10 guilds, they weren't consistently top 10.

In my opinion the top 10 guild rule is a good basis but it all needs to go on a case to case basis, look at BORG, I would not call them a top 10 guild even though they're in the top 10, or ID whose outside of top 10 but is miles better than BORG, this does however remove =FF= or Br.Ba since by this defenition they were never top 10. But it's not my thread so you go ahead and decide, I just feel like in this case it's worthy of adding.

[Burgess]

ARM was a top 10 guild IMO. They had proper avgs and were capable of doing things back in the days. They just decided to make a wrong decision thats all.

[BGoneWithU]

The "Top Ten" and "Top Ranks" limitations lead to interesting interpretations imo. Take RAWR for instance. They're a truly "leet" guild, but I cant feel right about giving them a rank leader spot since they dont have any of the hindrances that normal guilds face. Same with ARM and ID. None of these guilds hold/held dominance in their cluster even if they are still moderately important to the going-ons of their respective clusters.

Personally, the guilds that most deserve top recognition are guilds that hold the majority of the galaxies in their cluster and have a decent member base. Guilds with 10-40 people, while still important, are usually groups that have played together previously and have only prerecruited decent players whereas the major guilds in each cluster have to deal with randoms and lower quality players.

I may have to end up breaking down the rank leader positions into multiple levels so that the "leet" guilds get the recognition they deserve without downplaying the great efforts the larger guilds have made.

Also, I agree with the Br.Ba and =FF= critiques, however they both held the 1 and 2 spots whereas the highest ARM has ever reached was maybe 5. Br.Ba and FF only held those spots because of their very high member count whereas ARM held their spot due to political maneuverings and a decent player base, but they dropped below the top 10 on several occassions. Also, I dont like to include guilds in the list that bit the dust until the guild has disbanded, or for all intents and purposes is dead. The large majority of ARM members are still playing and the guild is still intact, even if their dominance in their new cluster is extremely debatable.

[BGoneWithU]

Everything should be completely up to date right now, with the exception of maybe the rank toppers. If anyone sees anything wrong, feel free to comment.

[Hempcat]

Everything should be completely up to date right now, with the exception of maybe the rank toppers. If anyone sees anything wrong, feel free to comment.

Very well done bud. But O16 should now be Oface as 90% of the farms have disbanded. Oface is now in complete control.

[BGoneWithU]

Everything should be completely up to date right now, with the exception of maybe the rank toppers. If anyone sees anything wrong, feel free to comment.

Very well done bud. But O16 should now be Oface as 90% of the farms have disbanded. Oface is now in complete control.

The reason I've left it as farmlands for now is because OFACE has a very low base count there right now. I'm sure it will grow as people get base 16 and 17, but for now it's not populated enough to be considered a stronghold galaxy.

[Luftwaffe]

Everything should be completely up to date right now, with the exception of maybe the rank toppers. If anyone sees anything wrong, feel free to comment.

Very well done bud. But O16 should now be Oface as 90% of the farms have disbanded. Oface is now in complete control.

The reason I've left it as farmlands for now is because OFACE has a very low base count there right now. I'm sure it will grow as people get base 16 and 17, but for now it's not populated enough to be considered a stronghold galaxy.

Might as well change 10-19 to OFACE.

[BGoneWithU]

I'll do it after the final official merger. Technically, 16 needs like 40 more bases to be considered an OFACE SH galaxy. Unless you're counting OFAME bases as well. I'll probably change it when I change the rest, just for cohesiveness.