Alicus retires from GMing, and exiles himself to [FrF]

[Orientation]

Agree wow. Great leader?

I guess many of you guys have never been exposed to great leadership or you would know the difference. Being hyper aggressive and rushing every blob you can kill isn't great leadership.. It is a one trick pony.

And destroying your credibility and admitting to flaming don't qualify either. Unless your goal is to fail.

^ this he over rushes things heck he would have screwed up in the 50's if half the guild didnt tell him why the hell are we not doing a synced launch into 58 rather than 2 - 3 hours notice for a sync launch notice when there was roughly 10 mil enemy fleet there which he didnt even know about and had to issue a recall and claimed it was a "test" which we all know wasnt true


Fact is I recall Ali doing a similar post to this a couple of years back cant remember which server it was but oh look another repeat just like every server he creates a guild on, No doubt the same thing will happen next server that is why there is so many people here who do not care because we have all heard it all before

To be fair thou, after the cluster *beep* in the lowers in Juno with suicides/emo/ragequitting were your guild disbanded overnite and u said u quit cause of issues IRL you dont have much room to talk lol , dumping GM into someone as you get invaded is not something Alicus has ever done, so at least points for that.

Adding this cause bashing someone for coming clean is pretty ghey.

If you read in the other thread about the 50's you'll see i already mentioned about myself on Juno difference is I learn from my mistakes he still continues to make them and as i said i recall him doing a similar post a couple of years ago yet he still continued to act the exact same on the following servers so in all honesty this thread is pointless

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As for you Ali Like i said the other day in another topic why state to me that you had so much pressure on you to KD us from Addex and WB

Heck seeing as addex is online right now maybe he can give an answer here to "if" he's said anything of the sort.

[Beowulf]

and as i said i recall him doing a similar post a couple of years ago yet he still continued to act the exact same on the following servers so in all honesty this thread is pointless

Never happened, never made this mistake.
You're free to surf the forums to try and find it, though.

As for you Ali Like i said the other day in another topic why state to me that you had so much pressure on you to KD us from Addex and WB

Heck seeing as addex is online right now maybe he can give an answer here to "if" he's said anything of the sort.

Addex made a comment saying that me accepting you into ABC isn't doing us any favors in gaining likability from Royal. When he randomly, in a completely unrelated conversation, goes like "you even accepted biggie!!!"... yeah, you know something's wrong. It was about YOU (!) specifically. From both.

Knowing you're a troublemaker (proven), a liar (proven) and a suicider (proven) they did have a point. Against my better judgment i told them i'd give you a chance and keep an eye on you. In a specific conversation with WB when he repeatedly tried to get me to drop my protection of you guys, i ended up promising him to KD you (specifically you, and once again WB can attest to that) if you give me a legitimate reason to. I did that to protect you, but at the same time it wasn't really a stretch. I can promise you, hell, i can promise the entire forum right now that next time i make a guild, i will KD everyone who gives me reason to. I'm the leader, you joined my guild. That's how it works.

Heck, it was me who approached you about it and told you that. Congrats on twisting it to gain a following.
Unfortunately, lies catch up to you pretty fast, which is the lesson i've learned.
Wish you good luck with that lesson.

[Orientation]

and as i said i recall him doing a similar post a couple of years ago yet he still continued to act the exact same on the following servers so in all honesty this thread is pointless

Never happened, never made this mistake.
You're free to surf the forums to try and find it, though.

As for you Ali Like i said the other day in another topic why state to me that you had so much pressure on you to KD us from Addex and WB

Heck seeing as addex is online right now maybe he can give an answer here to "if" he's said anything of the sort.

Addex made a comment saying that me accepting you into ABC isn't doing us any favors in gaining likability from Royal. When he randomly, in a completely unrelated conversation, goes like "you even accepted biggie!!!"... yeah, you know something's wrong. It was about YOU (!) specifically. From both.

Knowing you're a troublemaker (proven), a liar (proven) and a suicider (proven) they did have a point. Against my better judgment i told them i'd give you a chance and keep an eye on you. In a specific conversation with WB when he repeatedly tried to get me to drop my protection of you guys, i ended up promising him to KD you (specifically you, and once again WB can attest to that) if you give me a legitimate reason to. I did that to protect you, but at the same time it wasn't really a stretch. I can promise you, hell, i can promise the entire forum right now that next time i make a guild, i will KD everyone who gives me reason to. I'm the leader, you joined my guild. That's how it works.

Heck, it was me who approached you about it and told you that. Congrats on twisting it to gain a following.
Unfortunately, lies catch up to you pretty fast, which is the lesson i've learned.
Wish you good luck with that lesson.

2/16/2014 7:06:07 PM] Addex: and u recruited bige lol
[2/16/2014 7:06:12 PM] ali awesome: whaqt
[2/16/2014 7:06:14 PM] ali awesome: bige?
[2/16/2014 7:06:17 PM] ali awesome: he doesnt play this server
[2/16/2014 7:06:27 PM] ali awesome: i forced him
[2/16/2014 7:06:29 PM] ali awesome: to give me logins
[2/16/2014 7:06:32 PM] Addex: he plays
[2/16/2014 7:06:32 PM] ali awesome: aaaages ago
[2/16/2014 7:06:34 PM] ali awesome: his acc is with mule
[2/16/2014 7:06:34 PM] Addex: bige
[2/16/2014 7:06:36 PM] Addex: not biggie
[2/16/2014 7:06:40 PM] ali awesome: oh
[2/16/2014 7:06:41 PM] ali awesome: biggie
[2/16/2014 7:06:48 PM] Addex: biggie still plays
[2/16/2014 7:06:52 PM] ali awesome: yes yes
[2/16/2014 7:06:55 PM] Addex: he made another account
[2/16/2014 7:07:04 PM] ali awesome: we talking about danny
[2/16/2014 7:07:06 PM] ali awesome: right?
[2/16/2014 7:07:08 PM] ali awesome: not the NoOne fgt
[2/16/2014 7:07:20 PM] Addex: both of them , the noone fgt still plays
[2/16/2014 7:07:23 PM] ali awesome: ??
[2/16/2014 7:07:25 PM] ali awesome: in my guild?
[2/16/2014 7:07:30 PM] ali awesome: danny does
[2/16/2014 7:07:33 PM] Addex: danny is the one I was talking about
[2/16/2014 7:07:35 PM] ali awesome: ah yeah
[2/16/2014 7:07:46 PM] ali awesome: lol
[2/16/2014 7:07:48 PM] ali awesome: in a cluster
[2/16/2014 7:07:52 PM] ali awesome: where i had to pick between
[2/16/2014 7:07:59 PM] ali awesome: fka/tj/beaver(who blocks me every week)
[2/16/2014 7:08:06 PM] ali awesome: danny/jack frost(who i like)
[2/16/2014 7:08:07 PM] ali awesome: nard
[2/16/2014 7:08:09 PM] ali awesome: and
[2/16/2014 7:08:12 PM] ali awesome: quake/ben/izzy
[2/16/2014 7:08:17 PM] ali awesome: i think i picked the least evil
[2/16/2014 7:08:18 PM] ali awesome: xD
[2/16/2014 7:08:37 PM] Addex: well u arent gonna win a popularity contest with royal thats for sure
[2/16/2014 7:08:44 PM] ali awesome: never expected one
[2/16/2014 7:08:50 PM] ali awesome: just expected we keep our agreement

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Was the exact quote from skype you sent to me, When i spoke wit Addex he meant in general not directly just me

[15:54:17] Danny ferre: so the part of him saying "you even accepted biggie" was that meaning me or the Bige guy?
[15:54:35] Addex: Bige and I got confused with u
[15:54:42] Addex: cause someone said bige was in ABC
[15:54:47] Addex: and alicus had given him an account before
[15:55:00] Addex: then vile said it was biggie not bige
[15:55:08] Danny ferre: Okay just wanted to clarify that so i can correct him
[15:55:09] Addex: so in random chat it came up
[15:55:14] Addex: I mean
[15:55:21] Addex: he is right in what I said
[15:55:24] Addex: I called u a fgt
[15:55:37] Addex: and I said recruiting fgts wasnt gonna make him win a pop contest
[15:55:43] Addex: but u as in part of the whole group
[15:55:51] Addex: not singling u out amongst all the fgts he recruits


Yet you said to me in reguards to Kding us

[21/02/2014 23:46:39] ali awesome: i had immense pressure from addex and beaver


His response about that

[15:46:57] Addex: but no pressure on KD or anythign
[15:47:01] Addex: just a remakr



Fact of the matter is you said you made a deal wether or not it was to "keep WB and Addex quiet" which turns out Addex never gave you pressure on it anyway is a different story, You admitted that ABC was screwed at that point and needed all you could get so to me it just tells me you was planning to go through with it providing everything carried on as they were but because royal suddenly declared on you you needed everyone on side and so you told me about it in thinking it would convince me to rejoin

At the end of the day you admitted you made a deal behind our backs wether or not you would have gone through with it is an entirely different question but i wasnt going to take that risk I mean you already KD'ed one group from the 50's because you was given an ultimatum by China to KD bob or be derbed yourself so you Kded them so it was only a matter of time seeing as "WB and addex was pressuring you to" to do the same to us.

[Beowulf]

Why do you keep saying 'us' when it was always about you specifically?

EDIT: From the logs you posted:

[2/16/2014 7:08:06 PM] ali awesome: danny/jack frost(who i like)

Did you mention that to Jack Frost? That that's my honest opinion of him? No, you spent hours trying to convince him i had an evil plan to KD him, until you finally got the poor guy to deguild and derb my fleet - all because you wanted his guys too.

I'm not even mad, and i told him i forgave him; he still feels incredibly guilty tbh but yeah, that's the truth of it.

[Hash]

Go home Danny boy, or hijack another thread.

[Orientation]

Why do you keep saying 'us' when it was always about you specifically?

EDIT: From the logs you posted:

[2/16/2014 7:08:06 PM] ali awesome: danny/jack frost(who i like)

Did you mention that to Jack Frost? That that's my honest opinion of him? No, you spent hours trying to convince him i had an evil plan to KD him, until you finally got the poor guy to deguild and derb my fleet - all because you wanted his guys too.

I'm not even mad, and i told him i forgave him; he still feels incredibly guilty tbh but yeah, that's the truth of it.

In reguards to jack frost he actually went against us both and made a deal with Cham, Myself and psycho was in a skype call with him finding out exactly whats going on on his end, He told us hes made a deal with cham to drop and join into them at the right time, We then continued speaking for another hour or so and he said he would rejoin back into our group and begin messaging everyone i then go to sleep as it was 2/3 in the morning at that point to then come on to find he's hopped into Cham and derbed a few mil fleet which had nothing to do with me you would have to find out that part from Cham etc


his quote while talking on skype though was something along the lines of this i said "btw nice joke you made about Ali being AE royalty everyone had a good laugh about that"

his reply after laughing for a solid minute was

"yeah i new he would eat that *beep* up"

So as i say whatever happened with his 54 group had 0 to do with me

[Beowulf]

Stop lying, Danny. ^^

[2/25/2014 3:57:23 PM] Josh Wachtman: you did great man here in the 50s
[2/25/2014 3:57:51 PM] Josh Wachtman: it was their constant back stabbing man that sealed all our fates
[2/25/2014 3:58:41 PM] Josh Wachtman: I just hope I get to see all of china come down on them first
[2/25/2014 3:59:02 PM] Josh Wachtman: I talked to sorceroer
[2/25/2014 3:59:13 PM] ali awesome: what did he say
[2/25/2014 3:59:51 PM] Josh Wachtman: he told me my crew is safe they like us and heard good things about my team
[2/25/2014 4:00:36 PM] Josh Wachtman: them two fools think they can take the 50s and china is going to set back and let them whoop sup and do nothing
[2/25/2014 4:00:47 PM] Josh Wachtman: god are they retarded
[2/25/2014 4:01:58 PM] Josh Wachtman: man I tried to grovel on your behalf man....my first contact with China was me begging them to let you move to 50s
[2/25/2014 4:02:19 PM] Josh Wachtman: I know your to proud for it so I did tht behind your back
[2/25/2014 4:02:23 PM] ali awesome: what did they say
[2/25/2014 4:02:36 PM] Josh Wachtman: they said your screwed man
[2/25/2014 4:03:14 PM] Josh Wachtman: my first deal with CHAM was to send my men away from the blob and I was going to die with u
[2/25/2014 4:04:07 PM] Josh Wachtman: but after that screen shot and danny swearing of you talking about derbing my team it took me like 45 minutes to arrange that attack on your guys
[2/25/2014 4:04:38 PM] ali awesome: that screenshot is a piss off
[2/25/2014 4:07:35 PM] Josh Wachtman: they thought once I smashed you I would run right back to them
[2/25/2014 4:07:43 PM] Josh Wachtman: instead I went to CHAM
[2/25/2014 4:08:07 PM] Josh Wachtman: and they really messed up trying to still get me back
[2/25/2014 4:08:39 PM] Josh Wachtman: they kept telling me I needed them and in fact they needed my team not the other way around
[2/25/2014 4:11:41 PM] Josh Wachtman: you know I won a stronghold and my plan was to hand over my power to a guild that was connected they sent me them two little back stabbers and I was screwed from that point on
[2/25/2014 4:14:21 PM] ali awesome: lol
[2/25/2014 4:20:54 PM] Josh Wachtman: you know well before I brought my guys to cham Hmm was screwed
[2/25/2014 4:21:23 PM] Josh Wachtman: danny and his boy friend thinks I caused it all
[2/25/2014 4:21:47 PM] Josh Wachtman: i got to cham and SCO has a pact and Hmm said pact till further notice
[2/25/2014 4:21:49 PM] Josh Wachtman: lol
[2/25/2014 4:22:36 PM] Josh Wachtman: Moe leaders know I was tricked and used by Danny and his buddy
[2/25/2014 4:22:46 PM] Josh Wachtman: they know im new to leading
[2/25/2014 4:23:12 PM] Josh Wachtman: So my guys are most likely safe
[2/25/2014 6:32:31 PM] Josh Wachtman: i trusted Danny and his buddy and look where the hell that got me
[2/25/2014 6:35:01 PM] Josh Wachtman: really i was better off before I got Skype ,,,,
[2/25/2014 6:35:27 PM] Josh Wachtman: once they had that they really got into my head

[Orientation]

Stop lying, Danny. ^^

[2/25/2014 3:57:23 PM] Josh Wachtman: you did great man here in the 50s
[2/25/2014 3:57:51 PM] Josh Wachtman: it was their constant back stabbing man that sealed all our fates
[2/25/2014 3:58:41 PM] Josh Wachtman: I just hope I get to see all of china come down on them first
[2/25/2014 3:59:02 PM] Josh Wachtman: I talked to sorceroer
[2/25/2014 3:59:13 PM] ali awesome: what did he say
[2/25/2014 3:59:51 PM] Josh Wachtman: he told me my crew is safe they like us and heard good things about my team
[2/25/2014 4:00:36 PM] Josh Wachtman: them two fools think they can take the 50s and china is going to set back and let them whoop sup and do nothing
[2/25/2014 4:00:47 PM] Josh Wachtman: god are they retarded
[2/25/2014 4:01:58 PM] Josh Wachtman: man I tried to grovel on your behalf man....my first contact with China was me begging them to let you move to 50s
[2/25/2014 4:02:19 PM] Josh Wachtman: I know your to proud for it so I did tht behind your back
[2/25/2014 4:02:23 PM] ali awesome: what did they say
[2/25/2014 4:02:36 PM] Josh Wachtman: they said your screwed man
[2/25/2014 4:03:14 PM] Josh Wachtman: my first deal with CHAM was to send my men away from the blob and I was going to die with u
[2/25/2014 4:04:07 PM] Josh Wachtman: but after that screen shot and danny swearing of you talking about derbing my team it took me like 45 minutes to arrange that attack on your guys
[2/25/2014 4:04:38 PM] ali awesome: that screenshot is a piss off
[2/25/2014 4:07:35 PM] Josh Wachtman: they thought once I smashed you I would run right back to them
[2/25/2014 4:07:43 PM] Josh Wachtman: instead I went to CHAM
[2/25/2014 4:08:07 PM] Josh Wachtman: and they really messed up trying to still get me back
[2/25/2014 4:08:39 PM] Josh Wachtman: they kept telling me I needed them and in fact they needed my team not the other way around
[2/25/2014 4:11:41 PM] Josh Wachtman: you know I won a stronghold and my plan was to hand over my power to a guild that was connected they sent me them two little back stabbers and I was screwed from that point on
[2/25/2014 4:14:21 PM] ali awesome: lol
[2/25/2014 4:20:54 PM] Josh Wachtman: you know well before I brought my guys to cham Hmm was screwed
[2/25/2014 4:21:23 PM] Josh Wachtman: danny and his boy friend thinks I caused it all
[2/25/2014 4:21:47 PM] Josh Wachtman: i got to cham and SCO has a pact and Hmm said pact till further notice
[2/25/2014 4:21:49 PM] Josh Wachtman: lol
[2/25/2014 4:22:36 PM] Josh Wachtman: Moe leaders know I was tricked and used by Danny and his buddy
[2/25/2014 4:22:46 PM] Josh Wachtman: they know im new to leading
[2/25/2014 4:23:12 PM] Josh Wachtman: So my guys are most likely safe
[2/25/2014 6:32:31 PM] Josh Wachtman: i trusted Danny and his buddy and look where the hell that got me
[2/25/2014 6:35:01 PM] Josh Wachtman: really i was better off before I got Skype ,,,,
[2/25/2014 6:35:27 PM] Josh Wachtman: once they had that they really got into my head

That's funny considering we never sent him personally any screen shots the whole "backstab" was not even mentioned all that was discussed was wether he was gonna be rejoining our group and him telling us he had setup a plan with Cham aswell as general chit chat none related as for "smashing" your fleets we specifically stated "when you message people make sure you and the JG guy are the last to leave otherwise Ali may get suspicious and just derb you guys on the spot tell them to send there fleets to any of the gates in 55 upwards" so the part about "smashing you guys" we had no part of as we didnt want them to be using up their fleets as ofc we expected to be fighting Sup because you kept stating how WB wanted to fight us etc


As you know i just added you in a skype call with him to prove and get him to admit what was said and if he does deny anything ill even get others involved that he setup the arrangements with to prove when he contacted them and when he had spoke to us because he arranged the plan before speaking with us

Ill edit this post with exact logs of what gets said when he decides to talk

[Hash]

WoT incoming.

I don't really get pissed off often and when I am I almost never go public with it but right now I'm going to. You two both are a bunch of kids still, after so much *beep* time.

Here's an example. We're back in Juno. I got a small, active, handsome looking guild and I'm so very much handsome myself. We war a lot early on, fight for our spot in the cluster. Every other cluster mostly sims, aside from 1st getting fed by Zerg early on before turning them into a puppet guild because Zerg leadership was a bit handicapped inside their heads. Almost 90 days have passed and WHs are due to open. Danny and Psycho merged the whole 00s into one guild and are co-GMing. Deity and Addex pull of a diplomatic campaign to mark 00s as server cockblockers and get everyone and their mothers to gang together against them. Being one of 2 GMs of the only cluster not into gangbanging you guys approach me for help. Against good reason, my ideal of non zerging, and wanting to help all the people inside 00s from getting zerged I talked to Danny and Psycho. What the hell, I mean, they're not bad guys. Except when we did decide to help them and sent our tiny fleets there already they both chicken out, abandon ship and let the whole guild implode. I actually stood there as a complete outsider and calmed the whole thing down for a day, even killing suiciders on your *beep* blob. Naturally, I took my guys and bailed them out in time. The guild imploded, split into some smaller guilds and those negotiated pacts with 1st/Zerg/UFP/Flow coalition.

Having pacted the new 00s guilds the coalition had nowhere else to go farm aside from the cluster my guild was in. It was really nice of you Danny for reaching out for my soft spot and having me come to your aid just to abandon the ship at most important moment and deny us all an epic crash. *beep*. Oh and having a coalition 7 times total size of my guild come to farm us. It was my call to side with you though, so I'm not blaming this on you. I'm just calling you a pussyfag.

Next thing. 1st goes through J36 WH and after a few days manages to get some butthurt's guy minor JG on the edge of J37. 1st farms the galaxy and sits there over a week not being able to get into J38/39. My guildmates are loyal and my galaxies are clean. Blind spots are monitored constantly. A lot of effort was put into this by everyone and I'm grateful and proud. What happens next is that I gave away an account earlier to a good friend of mine, Alicus, even though many didn't like it. I assured them that he's a good friend and would never screw me over. All while 1st is sitting in J37 not being able to get into J38/39 Alicus is harassing Hampster.. claiming based on some previous chats with her that she has/had a crush on him. She denies it, he insists and things escalate all while I was AFK. Alicus then kicks Hampster.. out of the guild and, since she had VGM she thought I kicked her out as she believed only a GM can kick a VGM out. In her anger she accepts the offer Addex has been giving to my members for the past 9 days and joins 1st. Ideally for 1st she owned one of our two central JGs in J39. 1st got in. Everyone, me the most, are pissed both at Alicus and Hampster.. for being such immature little brats and pissing on everyone's hard work. Eventually another guy, member of Addex' guild on another server, got disappointed enough to suicide into Alicus and some others. He then gave away his account with minor JGs in J38 for 1st to use as well. I forgave them both anyway, even though they never *beep* apologised.

I went with Ali to Nova to "fight the zerg" even though I didn't want to play and I clearly saw how it was gonna end, and was right.
I went with Ali and Hampster.. (they had makeup sex and it was k) to Omega and allowed them to outvote me and start in lower teens, again against my better judgement. We actually lost to a guy like Luft for *beep* sake, embarassing. Really. I had to quit in order for the members to be allowed to continue playing and I accepted that gladly.

Ali then drags me into P to start and gain a foothold for him in 50s. I was in P52, the heart of BoB, and Ali just goes and backstabs them one day. They express their rage by ramming into my bases and fleets all the time since then. I still stick around and cover his back, even though his guild was all the time just a bunch of rags stitched together into one, with no foundation whatsoever. He still goes around recklessly, as if he owns the place. Yet he's the toxin for the 50s. I trust him, I expect him to trust me. To listen to my judgement. He seems to ignore me again. Gets *beep*. Again I feel sorry for him and cover his *beep*. I quit, even though I could've easily stayed. Because I was here to back him up, nothing more, nothing less.

Ali then writes this amazing thread. It gives me hope, because he's a friend and I want the best for him. I want him to think about himself and work on his bad sides. I go talk to him, see if I can support him like friends do. Everything is alright.

Then he gets some compliments. People start saying he's not that bad, which is true, but it hits him in the head again. He just can't be humble for a whole day even if his life depended on it. What the *beep* am I to do other than to let him go? After all these years of being around and helping his sorry *beep*, even after being told I'm dumb to do that, he doesn't show the slightest bits of appreciation? It's still all about him.


If anyone actually bothered to read all this I thank you for your patience. I enjoyed writing this.

*beep* you Danny and Psycho. *beep* you Ali and your ego. Man the *beep* up already. And thank you for being such interesting psychological cases for me to observe all this time.

[Twerk Team]

Sucks to suck, alicus.

You got what you deserve, and good riddance, too. Don't want to brag, but i totally called it.

EDIT: Heya Hash, glad to see you've seen the light. only wish you had paid more attention to my skype messages

[Addex]

Pretty cool story Hash , I guess this is the thread where people comes to be honest.

Just some minor details. I had nothing to do with the gangbang of lowers I didnt even know more guilds were coming or who flow were, I did talk to u and acted like I would backstab 1st if you launched on us or something like that. It was after the lowers lame crap and the guild implosion that Deity said "yo do u mind being GM for a few months so I can take a break?" Zerg didnt exist anymore after that and it was totally assimilated into 1st.

You also forget the 1 month or 3 week + stare across the WHs boring as *beep*... so is not like it was lets zerg go someone. Also we came to farm you case of the backstab of Spork and well you were the only cluster not pacted, so nothing really to do with Danny or what they did, but the shady *beep* move Seldon and you pulled on Spork.

Minor things that don't change the message of your story, just pointing out some inaccuracies.

[Orientation]

WoT incoming.

I don't really get pissed off often and when I am I almost never go public with it but right now I'm going to. You two both are a bunch of kids still, after so much *beep* time.

Here's an example. We're back in Juno. I got a small, active, handsome looking guild and I'm so very much handsome myself. We war a lot early on, fight for our spot in the cluster. Every other cluster mostly sims, aside from 1st getting fed by Zerg early on before turning them into a puppet guild because Zerg leadership was a bit handicapped inside their heads. Almost 90 days have passed and WHs are due to open. Danny and Psycho merged the whole 00s into one guild and are co-GMing. Deity and Addex pull of a diplomatic campaign to mark 00s as server cockblockers and get everyone and their mothers to gang together against them. Being one of 2 GMs of the only cluster not into gangbanging you guys approach me for help. Against good reason, my ideal of non zerging, and wanting to help all the people inside 00s from getting zerged I talked to Danny and Psycho. What the hell, I mean, they're not bad guys. Except when we did decide to help them and sent our tiny fleets there already they both chicken out, abandon ship and let the whole guild implode. I actually stood there as a complete outsider and calmed the whole thing down for a day, even killing suiciders on your *beep* blob. Naturally, I took my guys and bailed them out in time. The guild imploded, split into some smaller guilds and those negotiated pacts with 1st/Zerg/UFP/Flow coalition.

Having pacted the new 00s guilds the coalition had nowhere else to go farm aside from the cluster my guild was in. It was really nice of you Danny for reaching out for my soft spot and having me come to your aid just to abandon the ship at most important moment and deny us all an epic crash. *beep*. Oh and having a coalition 7 times total size of my guild come to farm us. It was my call to side with you though, so I'm not blaming this on you. I'm just calling you a pussyfag.

Next thing. 1st goes through J36 WH and after a few days manages to get some butthurt's guy minor JG on the edge of J37. 1st farms the galaxy and sits there over a week not being able to get into J38/39. My guildmates are loyal and my galaxies are clean. Blind spots are monitored constantly. A lot of effort was put into this by everyone and I'm grateful and proud. What happens next is that I gave away an account earlier to a good friend of mine, Alicus, even though many didn't like it. I assured them that he's a good friend and would never screw me over. All while 1st is sitting in J37 not being able to get into J38/39 Alicus is harassing Hampster.. claiming based on some previous chats with her that she has/had a crush on him. She denies it, he insists and things escalate all while I was AFK. Alicus then kicks Hampster.. out of the guild and, since she had VGM she thought I kicked her out as she believed only a GM can kick a VGM out. In her anger she accepts the offer Addex has been giving to my members for the past 9 days and joins 1st. Ideally for 1st she owned one of our two central JGs in J39. 1st got in. Everyone, me the most, are pissed both at Alicus and Hampster.. for being such immature little brats and pissing on everyone's hard work. Eventually another guy, member of Addex' guild on another server, got disappointed enough to suicide into Alicus and some others. He then gave away his account with minor JGs in J38 for 1st to use as well. I forgave them both anyway, even though they never *beep* apologised.

I went with Ali to Nova to "fight the zerg" even though I didn't want to play and I clearly saw how it was gonna end, and was right.
I went with Ali and Hampster.. (they had makeup sex and it was k) to Omega and allowed them to outvote me and start in lower teens, again against my better judgement. We actually lost to a guy like Luft for *beep* sake, embarassing. Really. I had to quit in order for the members to be allowed to continue playing and I accepted that gladly.

Ali then drags me into P to start and gain a foothold for him in 50s. I was in P52, the heart of BoB, and Ali just goes and backstabs them one day. They express their rage by ramming into my bases and fleets all the time since then. I still stick around and cover his back, even though his guild was all the time just a bunch of rags stitched together into one, with no foundation whatsoever. He still goes around recklessly, as if he owns the place. Yet he's the toxin for the 50s. I trust him, I expect him to trust me. To listen to my judgement. He seems to ignore me again. Gets *beep*. Again I feel sorry for him and cover his *beep*. I quit, even though I could've easily stayed. Because I was here to back him up, nothing more, nothing less.

Ali then writes this amazing thread. It gives me hope, because he's a friend and I want the best for him. I want him to think about himself and work on his bad sides. I go talk to him, see if I can support him like friends do. Everything is alright.

Then he gets some compliments. People start saying he's not that bad, which is true, but it hits him in the head again. He just can't be humble for a whole day even if his life depended on it. What the *beep* am I to do other than to let him go? After all these years of being around and helping his sorry *beep*, even after being told I'm dumb to do that, he doesn't show the slightest bits of appreciation? It's still all about him.


If anyone actually bothered to read all this I thank you for your patience. I enjoyed writing this.

*beep* you Danny and Psycho. *beep* you Ali and your ego. Man the *beep* up already. And thank you for being such interesting psychological cases for me to observe all this time.

In reguards to the whole Juno situation in how it was handled Iv said to many people and openly admitted about messing up there i was 17 at the time so was still fairly immature however i did infact pass on Leadership to Jordache who as you know at the time was considered a decent Gm my thoughts was he would be able to do a better job than myself, I quit the game due to having a much busier schedule IRL meaning i would not have anywhere near as much time as is required for the game

One thing i do need to correct though in reguards to Juno is that the 00's did not merge untill we was informed by Icon that Addex + co were forming a big alliance against us which left us with only one option and that was to work together

If you speak with Psycho he will tell you i wanted to fight his group for control over the 00 cluster but due to everything thinking at the time we came as a pair we was zerged up against and forced into working together which weve remained good friends since then

But as I say iv openly admitted to people about me *beep* up on Juno i was young and it was a learning experience as you know i didnt return to the game untill recent but iv certainly changed alot since then im straight forward and upfront about everything which others who before never liked me per say due to the juno antics - before then have witnessed in me speaking with them more since returning

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Pretty cool story Hash , I guess this is the thread where people comes to be honest.

Just some minor details. I had nothing to do with the gangbang of lowers I didnt even know more guilds were coming or who flow were, I did talk to u and acted like I would backstab 1st if you launched on us or something like that. It was after the lowers lame crap and the guild implosion that Deity said "yo do u mind being GM for a few months so I can take a break?" Zerg didnt exist anymore after that and it was totally assimilated into 1st.

You also forget the 1 month or 3 week + stare across the WHs boring as *beep*... so is not like it was lets zerg go someone. Also we came to farm you case of the backstab of Spork and well you were the only cluster not pacted, so nothing really to do with Danny or what they did, but the shady *beep* move Seldon and you pulled on Spork.

Minor things that don't change the message of your story, just pointing out some inaccuracies.

I know it was Deity leading and you took over after the event. 00s were cockblocking the server, I don't deny that, but then 1st did the same after 00s were gone. I really had a tough time organising any OPs for a long while. I really don't remember when we talked and you said that about backstabbing, probably because I didn't buy it.

And if you were to get your information from someone more reliable than the GM of SPORK you would know that my guild never ever had a pact with SPORK. Seldon tried to convince me into giving SPORK a pact with hopes of forming a clusterzerg in the future but I refused, which really pissed that guy SPORK GM who's name I can't remember. He was quite a touchy guy. Anyway, SPORK ended up trusting Seldon's guild and they joined forces to launch at my guild. I kind of pressed Seldon and other leaders there and it ended in SPORK being dropped and masacred. They should've known since they had clear numbers advantage and we weren't retreating but stood there as we want to be eaten. Pretty naive of SPORK. Seldon also *beep* up then by having people kick all SPORK out but not announcing not to hit my guild on time so we got a lot of friendly fire. So you see what crap I had to deal with all server long.

In short. None of the guilds I led ever had a pact with SPORK. Anyone who was there can confirm this. I can't possibly backstab if I wasn't *beep* pacted to them, can I?

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One thing i do need to correct though in reguards to Juno is that the 00's did not merge untill we was informed by Icon that Addex + co were forming a big alliance against us which left us with only one option and that was to work together

I call this BS, we were fighting zerg at the time and we were forced to go to the WH cause you had a megazerg there ready to invade us. This is when 1st was 70 people and J10 thru J13.


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Seldon later joined you and merged with your guild , you may be telling the truth here but from the outside it just looked like an elaborated backstab, one of those that Seldon always bragged about it, I didn't even like M_ivko the GM of Spork after all he screwed us over in Helion. At the time I wasn't too fond of backstabbers and considering you guys did the same thing it was done to WL/Enigma in Gamma, where I got raped, watching people get screwed over like that hit the soft spot.

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In reguards to the whole Juno situation in how it was handled Iv said to many people and openly admitted about messing up there i was 17 at the time so was still fairly immature however i did infact pass on Leadership to Jordache who as you know at the time was considered a decent Gm my thoughts was he would be able to do a better job than myself, I quit the game due to having a much busier schedule IRL meaning i would not have anywhere near as much time as is required for the game

One thing i do need to correct though in reguards to Juno is that the 00's did not merge untill we was informed by Icon that Addex + co were forming a big alliance against us which left us with only one option and that was to work together

If you speak with Psycho he will tell you i wanted to fight his group for control over the 00 cluster but due to everything thinking at the time we came as a pair we was zerged up against and forced into working together which weve remained good friends since then

But as I say iv openly admitted to people about me *beep* up on Juno i was young and it was a learning experience as you know i didnt return to the game untill recent but iv certainly changed alot since then im straight forward and upfront about everything which others who before never liked me per say due to the juno antics - before then have witnessed in me speaking with them more since returning

I appreciate that and I hope you don't take it to heart what I write when I'm pissed. Seeing as I've trusted Alicus for so long, screw up after another, believing he can learn (which he does, but not completely) and being once the guy who screwed up his first guild majorly, I won't hold what happened in the past against you, as long as you grow out of your mistakes. I understand what kind of pressure you were under and how it came to be that way. You just can't bail out at a crucial moment. You took that burden when you became the GM.