Your First Attack Fleet

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Your First Attack Fleet

Postby Jolly Teaparty » Wed 02 Apr, 2008 17:47

Hey guys,

This isn't a tutorial so much as things I have learnt in producing and using my first attack fleets. Though I'm still pretty new I felt it'd be a good idea to put the immediate experience into writing. This isn't a guide on how to attack in general but how to start making your first successful hits and how not to get your entire mobile fleet smoked. I'm up to level 26 now so consider this as applying up till that level.


GLOSSARY OF TERMS

Fighter drop - the first stage of an attack in which you hit your target with just fighters.
Ratio - when you are talking about your ratio you generally mean the cost of the fleet lost on your side compared to the cost of the fleet lost on the attacker's side.
CC - Command Centre
Mobile fleet - fleet used for attacking
Tick - key point in time, can mean either the half hour (when recyclers collect debris) or the hour (when you get paid your total economy in credits) depending on context


1) Good housekeeping, otherwise known as don't pull all your defensive fleet off of your poorly defended planets and start hitting people.

Before you go trying to make your first hits it's imperative that your bases are reasonably defended given your level. For in depth analysis of what composes a reasonable defense look at this handy guide. A brief summary would be:

- Unshielded turrets are a waste of time because they will be smoked by fighter drop.

-Ion turrets aren't bad but they will go down to fighters too since your shielding tech is almost always lower than your attacker's laser tech. This results in damage bleeding over the shields and whittling the turrets armour down fast. Get photon turrets up before you go hitting people unless you're confident you won't get hit back.

- CCs are pretty good since anything that can put off people like you who are looking to make a quick credit is good defense.

- For a defensive fleet as a low level player try to get fighters and heavy cruisers. DO NOT attempt to use any unshielded units that are not fighters for defense, they will get smoked in the fighter drop for a good ratio. Cruisers are also unsuitable for defensive fleets for the same reason that ion turrets are only average defenses.


2) What is a good target?

Pretty much look above and work out if the player hasn't followed these guidelines. A good target will be defending with unshielded units that aren't fighters, and will be using only unshielded turrets or at most ion turrets. Even if they seem to have a large amount of turrets, if they're unshielded they'll be easy to make a profit off.


3) Recyclers are the key to a successful hit.

Your mobile fleet will be composed of units that go down relatively easy for a profit, since it will probably contain various unshielded units that aren't fighters. Due to this you never ever want to be leaving it over an enemy's base for any longer than absolutely necessary. The hitch is that a large portion of your profits is going to come from picking up the pieces that used to be your enemy's fleet with recyclers, and they only pick up those pieces once an hour.

Because of this you're going to want to be landing at your target with so many recyclers that you can pick up all the debris at once, and you're going to want to be attacking so that you can land your recyclers at the tick. To know how many recyclers you're going to need, try taking a look around your bases for a target you might hit. Check the value of the fleet there and then pretend that's how much debris there's going to be. Divide that value by 10, and that's the number of recyclers you're going to want for your first hits.


4) BOATLOADS of fighters (and carriers to support them).

If you don't have enough fighters you're not going to be able to hit things for a profit. Fighters take care of all unshielded units/turrets, and if you have enough of them they'll also deal with cruisers and ion turrets. They'll also do this all for great ratios. I found ~1000 adequate for hitting people below my level but everyone else will tell you that you want 10 times more, they're right but they also forget how poor your production is at these low levels. However, with only ~1000 you'll need to take your mobile fleet back to base to "reload" a lot.

The reason I had so few fighters in my first hits is because carriers are expensive and therefore take forever to build at low levels. If you're at the stage where you can build fleet carriers then it's your choice whether you use them or carriers. I prefer carriers because you can start building them sooner, pretty much all your bases should be able to make them so you can spread the production, and also since the next largest unit I have in my mobile fleet are cruisers I get the benefit of the additional speed.


5) The big guns.

Most bases you come across will include cruisers and heavy cruisers as their biggest defensive units. For dealing with these I like to have a tonne of destroyers. You may also come across the occasional battleship as levels get higher, and if you really can't find a better targets then you'll get decent ratios with frigates. That being said I personally don't like building frigates because they just don't look worth it, and besides that you need to build way more than is reasonable for your level to take out a battleship. This is why I build cruisers instead.


6) Punch someone.

So you've got your mobile fleet, you've got your target, and you're ready to make some money. Here's what you want to do:

- Check their profile; are they a free or upgraded account?
FREE: They don't have the scanner, and so they won't see you approaching their system. Find a planet near them, and move your fleet there. When you're ready to hit, move from that planet to the target. Make sure that you arrive JUST BEFORE THE HALF HOUR. This is important, because you want to make sure those recyclers get their job done FAST.
UPGRADED: They have the scanner. Are they on the edge of their region? If they are, check the region on the other side of that edge to see if there's a system adjacent to them. If there is, then move there first instead. If there isn't then you have three options, you can either move your fleet in lots of little fleets to a planet near them (this will fool the scanners since your fleet won't be detected as quickly), you could move your fleet accompanied by an outpost ship to a nearby planet and hope they think you're just starting a new base, or you could just throw caution to the wind and move to the nearby planet as normal.

- If the target has an unshielded defense (fleet and/or turrets) then you're going to want to fighter drop. After you've landed your fleet at the target JUST BEFORE THE HALF HOUR, send all fleet but your fighters anywhere at all, then attack with your fighters, and quickly recall your fleet.

- Now to take down the big guns, once all your fleet is regrouped send away any fleet you're not going to need EXCEPT the fighters as before. The fighters will act as meat shield and improve your ratio by reducing the damage to your more expensive fleet. Attack, and recall your fleet. If you're not certain what fleet you're going to need, just look at the target. Cruisers/heavy cruisers? Use destroyers. Something bigger? Use cruisers AND destroyers (destroyers act as further meat shield).

- Your recyclers should have arrived just before the tick, and you'll get your debris and pillage in quick succession. Congratulations! You've just ruined someone's day. Now get your fleet the hell out of there.

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Re: Your First Attack Fleet

Postby TimNeilson » Wed 02 Apr, 2008 17:53

nice job. well written, and basically what you want to do.

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Re: Your First Attack Fleet

Postby Flute » Thu 03 Apr, 2008 21:56

That looks useful for new players breaking into offense.

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Re: Your First Attack Fleet

Postby ... » Sun 06 Apr, 2008 15:14

Finally. I know how to attack now :D

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Re: Your First Attack Fleet

Postby Apocryphite » Wed 09 Apr, 2008 08:57

Flute: You could have told me that the guide I wrote apparently wasn't "useful" enough to be moved. I spent a lot of time writing it, you could at least have spent the 30 seconds replying to the PM.

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Re: Your First Attack Fleet

Postby ... » Tue 15 Apr, 2008 03:39

Thats how it is in this forum :D

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Re: Your First Attack Fleet

Postby Bossofbosses » Mon 21 Apr, 2008 21:49

Thanks for your guide its helpful to me, I have a few questions..

For my level range, people use Ion/Photon turrets, are fighter drops still good for them at this point since the shields of those turrets are low?

Also, say a base has Photon/Ion combo, with fighters stationed over it and perhaps some cruisers/heavy cruisers. How do you attack, send in just the fighters first for the 1st attack AND THEN your own battleship(s) and ion frigates/bombers to down the shielded units faster or do u send them all in on one shot?

Thank you very much.

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Re: Your First Attack Fleet

Postby Jolly Teaparty » Tue 22 Apr, 2008 01:13

Bossofbosses wrote:Thanks for your guide its helpful to me, I have a few questions..

For my level range, people use Ion/Photon turrets, are fighter drops still good for them at this point since the shields of those turrets are low?

Also, say a base has Photon/Ion combo, with fighters stationed over it and perhaps some cruisers/heavy cruisers. How do you attack, send in just the fighters first for the 1st attack AND THEN your own battleship(s) and ion frigates/bombers to down the shielded units faster or do u send them all in on one shot?

Thank you very much.


Firstly, Ion/Photon is a nice combo and will last you until level 25 if you're not in a very violent galaxy (I would be aiming to have disruptors/deflections ready to build by this time). Fighters will damage the Ion turrets significantly but the photon turrets will require bigger guns to damage them. This being said, it's a good idea to ensure the total amount of credits spent on Ion Turrets is less than the amount spent on Photon Turrets. I'll explain why if you fancy but it's long winded.

To attack a base with fighters, cruisers/heavy cruisers, ions, and photons, I would use a swarm of fighters and destroyers at my level. Heavy bombers are better than destroyers for this but that's hangar space you might not have after you've figured in the fighters. The first step would be to drop enough fighters to clear the fighters on the base (not more, especially if there's command centres there). Then you want to attack with all your fighters and all your destroyers. If you have them available, corvettes make good padding too. This second attack will kill the cruisers/heavy cruisers, and photon turrets.


A couple of extra notes:

1) If that base you describe has too many Ion Turrets compared to Photon Turrets (e.g. 15/15 Ion, 5/5 Photon), it can be a good idea to drop more fighters in the first attack to clear all the Ion turrets. That way, when the defenses recharge after the attack, both the Ions and Photons will be significantly more damaged, resulting in less losses for the second attack.

2) If your fleet is awesome enough to support Heavy Bombers in lieu of Destroyers, you MUST do the math before you attack with them to ensure you use ONLY the number of Heavy Bombers you need to kill the cruisers/heavy cruisers and turrets. Their low armour means they will most likely all die when they attack, and so using more than you need will just result in more losses for you.

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Re: Your First Attack Fleet

Postby Freedom » Sun 27 Apr, 2008 03:59

Simplified...

1)Fighter drop
2)HB drop
3)Main attack fleet

:arrow: Yeah, really... heavy bombers have the best ratios against CR/HC, but smaller units need to be cleared via fighter drop beforehand. Remember that every type of fleet can be killed in 3 attacks or less (only exception is death stars, which require battleships and higher)...

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Re: Your First Attack Fleet

Postby Wreakloose » Mon 26 May, 2008 11:13

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Re: Your First Attack Fleet

Postby llorak » Tue 03 Jun, 2008 11:31

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