Server Wide Trade Embargo

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Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby UlquiorraCifer » Mon 21 May, 2012 00:01

Really? This doesn't actually hurt us that much...not as much as you're all hurting yourselves. The average FTWer is exactly like you, dependent almost entirely on FTW/RED/TBAG trades to get by. Take myself for example, I have 108 of 117 trades filled, 90% of those are with FTW/RED.

This is truly only hurting yourselves. Take this guy for an example:

[XXX] XXX Reply - Copy Savebox - Block Player - Report 2012-05-20 23:10:51
I won't comment on policy. I will say I'm losing around 80 TRs.

To the REAL victims of this "embargo":

I am truly sorry your guild leaders are so incompetent as to make you cripple yourself this way. I feel so bad for all of you.

But let me tell you, I will freely post any and all of your trades. Why should you suffer because of this kind of stupidity? If you ever want to remake your trades, just let me know and I will do my best to see to it that they're all filled again. I can be found here.

Thank you for your time, and once again, I am so sorry you have to go through with your leader's horribad decisions...
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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby RevWhiteWolf » Mon 21 May, 2012 00:07

I too am always willing to refill the trades that are being lost right now by this silly political move.

Stats from the first day of the embargo, according to AE Stats:

FTW Eco: +872
RD Eco: -4,426
SWAG Eco: -9,059
RED Eco: +612

So, the "victims" of the embargo are up 1400 while the enforcers of the embargo are down 13,400 eco. Do you folks need a calculator to help you with the math here?

I have already refilled most of my trades, but when you figure out this ploy is an act of poisoning yourself in the hopes that we die, reach out. We are bound to have a couple of trades open at any given time to work you folks back into the mix. :)

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby BLACK WIDOW » Mon 21 May, 2012 00:44

RevWhiteWolf wrote:I too am always willing to refill the trades that are being lost right now by this silly political move.

Stats from the first day of the embargo, according to AE Stats:

FTW Eco: +872
RD Eco: -4,426
SWAG Eco: -9,059
RED Eco: +612

So, the "victims" of the embargo are up 1400 while the enforcers of the embargo are down 13,400 eco. Do you folks need a calculator to help you with the math here?

I have already refilled most of my trades, but when you figure out this ploy is an act of poisoning yourself in the hopes that we die, reach out. We are bound to have a couple of trades open at any given time to work you folks back into the mix. :)



Dont know how to respond to those figures.....

oh yeah...how about a cut n paste of before people started to drop trades

1 [FTW] Farm To Win 1,986,905 214 9,285
2 [RED] Red Team 1,375,142 133 10,339
3 [LAAN] The Landsraad 914,433 144 6,350
4 [SWAG] Thx for the lulz Epsi, It`s been fun 763,235 106 7,200
5 [RD] Reservoir Dogs 466,338 68 6,858
6 [G.A.] Galactic Alliance 301,390 68 4,432
7 [BLACK] Black Ops 267,462 51 5,244
8 [^HR^] Human Resources say: You Are Fired! 200,714 25 8,029
9 [WP] WolfPack 177,044 46 3,849
10 [SICO] Socially Inept Care Organization 150,283 35 4,294
11 [STEEL] Steel Alliance 105,517 20 5,276
12 [XXV] The Bloody 25th 99,594 39 2,554
13 [SW] SpaceWolves 72,267 16 4,517
14 [SWARM] The Swarm Of Chaos 66,652 12 5,554
15 [TBAG] Tea Baggers 59,518 11 5,411
16 [UWFA] United Worlds of Free Alliances 50,323 22 2,287
17 [R.I.P] Grim Reapers 33,735 9 3,748
18 [Vex] Whats Your Boggle? 31,844 9 3,538
19 [EA01] Armies of Epsilon 30,162 4 7,540
20 [NIGHT] Nightbringers 26,384 6 4,397

and the econ now....

1 [FTW] Farm To Win 1,965,924 216 9,102
2 [RED] Red Team 1,361,560 133 10,237
3 [LAAN] The Landsraad 916,924 144 6,368
4 [SWAG] Thx for the lulz Epsi, It`s been fun 762,030 106 7,189
5 [RD] Reservoir Dogs 448,099 68 6,590
6 [G.A.] Galactic Alliance 296,615 67 4,427
7 [BLACK] Black Ops 258,757 50 5,175
8 [^HR^] Human Resources say: You Are Fired! 189,021 23 8,218
9 [WP] WolfPack 173,909 46 3,781
10 [SICO] Socially Inept Care Organization 150,238 35 4,293
11 [STEEL] Steel Alliance 104,921 20 5,246
12 [XXV] The Bloody 25th 99,878 40 2,497
13 [SW] SpaceWolves 72,270 16 4,517
14 [SWARM] The Swarm Of Chaos 66,652 12 5,554
15 [TBAG] Tea Baggers 58,421 10 5,842
16 [UWFA] United Worlds of Free Alliances 50,426 22 2,292
17 [R.I.P] Grim Reapers 33,689 9 3,743
18 [Vex] Whats Your Boggle? 31,845 9 3,538
19 [EA01] Armies of Epsilon 29,931 4 7,483
20 [NIGHT] Nightbringers 26,388 6 4,398

I think you need a better calculator

Did you use this one?

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby RoboTech » Mon 21 May, 2012 00:49

Let's assume that FTW gets less economy due to this trade embargo. This will mean that the creds will go out sooner rather than later which would mean that the average FTWer would need to go farming sooner to keep Qs/research/construction running.

On the other hand FTW/RED/TBAG alone should be more than enough to cover 120-130 unique TRs. So what the heck are you thinking?

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby RevWhiteWolf » Mon 21 May, 2012 01:04

Well, since the stats say LAAN went up 13k, not 2, I am guessing either there was a recent massive switch in ecos, or your numbers are fictionalized. I will stick with what the stats servers tell me rather than your dubious "Cut and pastes" that are just numbers anybody could have typed. You are all welcome to check the stats servers as well if you wish. I will be continuing a daily report of the impact of your actions just to see if there is a long term effect better than your short term failure.

BTW, while we are talking about calculations, have you considered the following:

There are two ways for the guys with 18 billion fleet to gain money on this server. One is through trades/personal economy. One is by smashing your fleets and bases. So tell me this. Even if your fictionalized numbers become a reality, how does forcing us to hit you more frequently help your cause? Just curious.

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby Milton Waddams » Mon 21 May, 2012 01:06

first someone came up with this idea:

gazzy wrote:the way to defeat them is just break every single FTW occ in the server, u break enough of there occs ppl will quit FTW cause they wont want to keep fighting to keep their occs


What's next? Disbanding bases? Disbanding fleet? Deleting their accounts? :lol:

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby RevWhiteWolf » Mon 21 May, 2012 01:09

"So let's see.
The lol-guilds in Epsilon decided that:

- guerrilla warfare? FAIL !
- constant activity and movement? FAIL !
- bring the war to the smaller guilds ( smaller than your own) so that YOU may survive and grow? FAIL !
- trade with the ONLY guild in the server that will guarantee your trades are safe and well protected? FAIL !
- cancel the trades with the above mentioned guild so that not only will I lose trades with the ONLY bases that are actually growing but I will also expose my already diminished econ to plunder by ( again!) the above mentioned guild? EXCELLENT IDEA !!!!

In consequence:

- my econ will take a dramatic dive but hey, as long as it pleases my incompetent leadership ( which put me into this position to begin with) Im all good. WIN !
- the fragile econ I have left will be subject to plunder on daily basis because...let's face it, those aholes in FTW have to keep those fat prodcap's running, no? WIN !
- I know it was all good and cozy after FTW owned the server because they sorta turn into simming lazy basterds but now, they will have to bring the pain 2-3 times as often because...well, read above. But, I don't care I'll get my bases trashed! Ha! Because my GM is happy so UP YOURS FTW!! WIN!

So here I am, the poor old noob Don Quasi, contemplating a scenario in which I'd meet the brilliant mind that came up with that idea, just so I can ask him about what he's working on now. Im sure it will be...monumental."

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby BLACK WIDOW » Mon 21 May, 2012 01:16

BW, you honestly expect us to believe that while you've all been mass losing trades, you've gained 20k econ with no new members while we LOST that same amount and gained 2 members?

lol.



the figures were taken directly from ranks by econ.....I cut...I pasted...NO editing

If you have an issue with it....take it up with admin....because the game must be flawed

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby BLACK WIDOW » Mon 21 May, 2012 01:18

RevWhiteWolf wrote:Well, since the stats say LAAN went up 13k, not 2, I am guessing either there was a recent massive switch in ecos, or your numbers are fictionalized. I will stick with what the stats servers tell me rather than your dubious "Cut and pastes" that are just numbers anybody could have typed. You are all welcome to check the stats servers as well if you wish. I will be continuing a daily report of the impact of your actions just to see if there is a long term effect better than your short term failure.

BTW, while we are talking about calculations, have you considered the following:

There are two ways for the guys with 18 billion fleet to gain money on this server. One is through trades/personal economy. One is by smashing your fleets and bases. So tell me this. Even if your fictionalized numbers become a reality, how does forcing us to hit you more frequently help your cause? Just curious.



FTW and RED are already farming the server....your arguement is invalid

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby Xdrngy » Mon 21 May, 2012 01:24

I can back up BW's numbers, check the historical graphs...

You don't get it, this isn't about hurting your damned economies or even really fighting, it's saying the state of this server sucks and we're sick of all of you. Go ahead and threaten all you like, sooner rather than later doesn't make a difference.

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby UlquiorraCifer » Mon 21 May, 2012 01:30

The true argument here, is why would anyone follow a GM so stupid as to order their players to partially cripple themselves and why would a GM be so dumb as to order it?

Do you honestly think that the 30k that FTW and RED combined lost vs the 100k+ your total guilds lost matters?

The only thing you're all doing is hurting yourselves. The time it'll take players to setup back up 80% of their trade routes vs us losing (at most) 30% is staggering. Especially with lack of good routes.

Who gives a crap if the server sucks for you, do you honestly think you're going to be able to effectively fight back with your most actives at 30% sim capacity and no fleet to makes hits off of? The only thing you're doing is making the server worse for yourselves.

What's next? Are you gonna have everyone suicide on our blob?
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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby RevWhiteWolf » Mon 21 May, 2012 01:39

BLACK WIDOW wrote:
BW, you honestly expect us to believe that while you've all been mass losing trades, you've gained 20k econ with no new members while we LOST that same amount and gained 2 members?

lol.



the figures were taken directly from ranks by econ.....I cut...I pasted...NO editing

If you have an issue with it....take it up with admin....because the game must be flawed


Or, your cut and paste reflects a massive shift in numbers since the stat servers checked last, and this may be reflected tomorrow. (I think some uber intelligent and devilishly handsome player threw this possibility out there above, can't remember who it was. :whisle: )

As to the claims that you folks are "making a statement." This is ridiculously laughable. How can you be making a statement to us if you have to explain it to us and we still don't see its validity when you spell it out?

The only statement you are making is "I want to shoot myself in the foot so that you folks can suffer the pain of watching us bleed." I don't get it. Where does crippling oneself make tactical sense? Ever? Has it occurred to you that leaders that convince you folks to "send a message" in this fashion and members who think this makes sense might be the very reason why your guilds are failing?

As I said in one of the PMs about this, I don't actually care about this embargo. It has thus far had minimal impact on us. We don't see how the impact will increase by much. There is no tactical value to this as it only serves to shake the simmers out of their slumber. You say my argument is invalid because we are already farming you. I say you lack imagination because our guild has been dormant since the last major fight, other than a few players. Even if you argue that shaking them out of their beds won't make it much worse, it doesn't change the fact that it will likely make it worse.

I would hope that some of you might start shifting your power structures. Start paying attention to arguments that do work rather than these asinine plays that have been suggested from some of the corners of the server I will politely leave unnamed right now. This hope is for you folks, not for me. I just wish you folks would not stab yourselves repeatedly in the hopes that your screams of pain offend our ears. Try stabbing us. It may be as ineffective, but it has to at least feel better.

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby VinnyI » Mon 21 May, 2012 02:24

I've lost...what, 5 trades so far. All of them have been easily replaced with better routes. You guys are just hurting yourselves here.

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby Relentless » Mon 21 May, 2012 02:25

Shhh guys :shhh: They're doing us a favor. By cancelling their trades with us... not only will they find less proper long distance sim eco trades.... they'll find that we'll have to refill our trades less when folks from their side possibly quit the game (though we'd prefer they didn't) after the next blob war. That way... we can all sim sooner rather than later.... and our select squadron of active 24 hour Epiverse gaurds... can text us all when the food comes flying to our doorstep like pizza delivery. Om nom nom.

PS: We'll have to drop guild less to pillage your bounty! :P K THX BAI lawl.

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby mastercrs » Mon 21 May, 2012 03:25

half of my trades are from FTW/RED...if i drop them i lose half my unique trades and am now forced to refill them with lower eco unique trades....if i do this i will only be hurting myself...not FTW/RED


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