Server Wide Trade Embargo

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby bak54 » Mon 21 May, 2012 15:27

it only took me a day to fill my trades now im +1k more Eco then before i dropped all of ftw/red trades how exactly did i lose?

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby RevWhiteWolf » Mon 21 May, 2012 15:30

albend wrote:For all the hilarity you expose on the forums, a lot of your members are angry. Id suggest you guys get a bit more consistent. While I am always amused by the antics of FTW's league of forum engineers. They seem to be a bit off base.


I would say if any of our players are genuinely angry about this move they are being ridiculous. If I knew who they were I would tell them so directly. That said, I still don't buy your anonymous angry mob. I think you are simply trying to make this policy look like it is working by claiming phantom whiners. Like I said before, it is easy to say "This large number of anonymous people are doing things to prove my point, you just can't see them, because they are anonymous, and invisible." Come to think of it, it seems like you are trying to run a new church here.

If any FTW people are complaining, they are being retarded and need to be slapped. If any of those attempting to enforce this "embargo" are happy with the results, they are retarded and need to be slapped.

You understand how an embargo works, right? You take resources you have, and withhold them from people who need them. This is where you hit an immediate theoretical wall. The big bases, those tend to be FTW/RED. We are all over the epsiverse so we have the long distance as well. Which is why many of us right now continue to have full trades despite losing the ones from you folks. You are withholding cheap knockoffs and forcing us to use our own superior product. Good job with that.

Embargos also work because the ones enforcing them are bigger. You can't enforce this because the military strength is on our side. So when you say, "We won't give this to you." We have the ability to say, "We will take it."

I know. Someone in some backroom brought up the old argument about trading with and thus helping the enemy. They didn't have any voices of reason left (since previous ridiculous policies have caused those voices to leave some time ago) to explain again why this is failed thinking. Then someone said, "Hey, this week in my sixth grade social studies class they talked about this embargo thing. Like when the UN keeps stuff from Iran because they are bad so they will behave. Lets try that."

Again, the voices of reason were missing. The voices that would have said, "It isn't working in real life, where actual lives are on the line, so why would it work here?" Then they might have explained all of the factors above that we already explained so that all could see this was a fail idea.

But, do have fun with it. FTW has been more active and social with each other in the last two days than they have since I merged with them. Faces I haven't seen since I returned appeared and we are all talking, interacting, and enjoying the game. So good call. What's your encore?

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby onbekende07 » Mon 21 May, 2012 15:31

So we are finally going to see some FTW on FTW action to steal trades? (cause I know you fellows love your own trades :D)

Hi rev, why the WoT? :D

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby Cabbage » Mon 21 May, 2012 16:00

Soundwave wrote:This is not my idea. My idea was to impale you all on hot sticks nad to leave you hang out to dry .

idiot.

Stop mentioning me . Im tired or adolescents who are full of themselves over their fleets ranking position. They all want to play game , and you ppl are ruining it to them. You are so full of yourselves , and im iritated of your childish voices.

Ignore me already. Im not personalizing anybody anywhere.

If ppl feel happy cos they droped trades to bunch of loosers , let they be happy. They are happy, and you obviously feel miserable! So this strategy hit the mark. Good job. now shut your yaps.


I hit the spot. Thank you for proving my point.

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby braintech928 » Mon 21 May, 2012 19:45

chosen one will bring balance to the server he will

Me fail English? That's unpossible.
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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby Lt. Turbo » Tue 22 May, 2012 02:56

so i have a proposition, if we are harrassing and insulting you, which i really doubt we are, would you then have no problem posting some of those said insults on here? I mean, FTW is not your guild, you obviously hate us, so why would you care if you expose one of us as a whiner?


that is of course assuming you did get alot of hate mail from us, which I again HIGHLY doubt since our boards strongly suggest otherwise.


oh and the more evidence the better, post on forum warrior.

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby Soundwave » Tue 22 May, 2012 10:22

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby Vambo » Tue 22 May, 2012 12:38

Soundwave wrote:But its a way to show some Ftw/Red ppl that server is in crisis.

er, how?
Soundwave wrote:Also , i must say that this worked really well on ppl morale on this side. So i again say that this obviously hit desired mark.

so it's all just a ploy to make you feel better about yourselves without actually doing anything?

Sammael wrote:Basically what I'm trying to say is that this is a bad post and you should feel bad for making it.
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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby RevWhiteWolf » Tue 22 May, 2012 14:11

The latest info:

FTW: -17,973 .9% Loss of Economy since Embargo began
2012-05-22 1,969,242 (+8,195) 9,117 (+38) 1 216
2012-05-21 1,961,047 (-27,040) 9,079 (-211) 1 216 (+2)
2012-05-20 1,988,087 (+872) 9,290 (+4) 1 214


Red: -27,209 1.9% Loss of Economy since Embargo began
2012-05-22 1,348,606 (-9,159) 10,217 (+8) 2 132 (-1)
2012-05-21 1,357,765 (-18,662) 10,209 (-140) 2 133
2012-05-20 1,376,427 (+612) 10,349 (+5) 2 133


LAAN: +91,643 10% Increase in Economy since Embargo began
2012-05-22 949,506 (+32,848) 6,330 (-36) 3 150 (+6)
2012-05-21 916,658 (+24,602) 6,366 (-6) 3 144 (+4)
2012-05-20 892,056 (+34,193) 6,372 (-177) 3 140 (+8)


SWAG: -9,617 1.2% Loss of Economy since Embargo began
2012-05-22 761,569 (-540) 7,185 (-5) 4 106
2012-05-21 762,109 (-18) 7,190 4 106
2012-05-20 762,127 (-9,059) 7,190 (-17) 4 106 (-1)


RD: -14,248 3.1% Loss of Economy since Embargo began
2012-05-22 442,991 (-3,129) 6,515 (-46) 5 68
2012-05-21 446,120 (-6,693) 6,561 (-300) 5 68 (+2)
2012-05-20 452,813 (-4,426) 6,861 (+37) 5 66 (+1, -2)


G.A: -7,254 2.3% Loss of Economy since Embargo began
2012-05-22 295,717 (-1,079) 4,481 (+51) 6 66 (-1)
2012-05-21 296,796 (-6,979) 4,430 (-37) 6 67 (-1)
2012-05-20 303,775 (+804) 4,467 (+12) 6 68


Black: -13,025 4.9% Loss of Economy since Embargo began
2012-05-22 250,785 (-3,859) 5,225 (+132) 7 48 (-2)
2012-05-21 254,644 (-13,162) 5,093 (-57) 7 50 (-2)
2012-05-20 267,806 (+3,996) 5,150 (-23) 7 52 (+1)


So, the numbers are looking close on the surface (except Laan) until you look at the percentages. Then you realize that while LAAN is the clear winner of this process so far, the clear loser thus far is Black. (Why are you all picking on Black again?) Oh yeah, and RD is taking a pretty good hit percentage wise too, coming in second from the bottom. You know, RD, you should really have some words with whichever guild came up with this idea. Who was that again.....? :biglaugh:

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby Soundwave » Tue 22 May, 2012 15:54

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby RevWhiteWolf » Tue 22 May, 2012 16:16

This silly thought process is precisely what we were laughing at.

You are limiting your own economy to prevent yourselves from growing so you can starve us? Did you read that one through carefully? You are hurting us by destroying ourselves?

You won't blob. You will stay spread out for our fleets to easily pick apart while you can't form a resistance? This is your battle plan? :biglaugh:

Stating that you are hurting yourself in order to hurt us just gives me tingles in silly places. This is why your guild doesn't exist anymore. Because this is your plan.

Why don't you try something that actually works?

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby Lt. Turbo » Tue 22 May, 2012 18:31

Soundwave wrote:Black will lose even more next days as Abh players are returning to home guild.

I think you all are missing the pont. When i drop one trade , i loose econ , trade partner lose econ. So there is no win in this. But you Ftw and red have biger problem that you yet dont realize. When you accepted Sin and Blue among you , you deprived yourselves of a prime targets. After Swag blob destroyed , i thing notr one of smaller guilds will blob again. We will remain small. This means you will not have any big target , blob wise target , any time soon.

You will soon realize that you deprived yourselves of an debris income , cos our fleets are small. What use has Ephesians of his 1 000 levis , if there is no blob to crash it with them? What use of your blobs have , when you dont have any blob to fight against?

I tell you , a 100 000 000 of fleet , ONE AVERAGE FTW OR RED FLEET , we CANT FIGHT! We dont have enough fleets to kill that.

So , if you want to pick on our bases , our scouts or our UCs/occs (somethign that red started to do month ago) .

Sin and Blue did hit their own mark. By staying in Ftw and Red , THEY ARE ABLE TO REBUILD AND ENJOY THE LUXURY OF SAFE PLAYING!

Good job Ftw and Red ;) Enjoy in your ... Victory. :biglaugh:

ps : Can i send my Abh players to Ftw / Red for rebuilding*?


Irrelevant, i don't know if you know this, but we have people in smaller groups doing hits all the time, we don't move as a single entity always, we have offshoots always on the prowl which is the perfect counter to your smaller fleets.

I could tell you many things i would do if i had 1000 levis, since you are correct that you can't even scratch the paint on Ephs Levis, I would become an expert farmer.

We have many uses for our blob. We huddle together for warmth, sings songs around a campfire, and share stories and a few laughs among each other.

Abh is more than welcome to join us at our blob, we have soup kitchens set up since you guys must be starving. But i do request one thing though, please stay in your own guild. We have a HUGE welcoming party for you though....there will be booze!

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby UlquiorraCifer » Tue 22 May, 2012 20:01

Soundwave wrote:
[FTW] Ulquiorra Cifer Reply Savebox Block Report 20 May 2012, 22:00:39 Hi, I'm the Trade Officer for FTW. It seems these days we've been having a shortage of trades due to no one sending them to us for various reasons. I'm contacting you to find out if you would like to become a regular part of the FTW trade network. This would include sending us your empty trades, and myself sending you ours. Trade routes are very important to us, and we have a very diverse selection to offer. To silence a possible concern, no, these will be for the single purpose of setting up routes and will -NOT- become targets. The request is to be sent a list of your guild's trades at least once a week for adequate tradedge. I know we have a bad rap with the server, however we're not as bad as you may think. You just need to give us a chance I look forward to hearing back from you. Take care. Happy farming.


Your question seems is not adressed to me but here. Anyways. Trades will be replaced over time , so this is just a minor nuisance. I think this is more a gesture like that protest in New York. Police will eventually came and take protestors to custody.

But its a way to show some Ftw/Red ppl that server is in crisis. We cant change it. You are the one who have the pover to change it. Also , i must say that this worked really well on ppl morale on this side. So i again say that this obviously hit desired mark. I hope there will be more "drastic" mesures like this one.


You'er quite right, it's not addressed to you. That's why it wasn't sent to you. What did you show us? Practically nothing. All you did was show the guys in FTW that we can find better trades within our own guild.

Good job.

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby Carnage 101 » Tue 22 May, 2012 22:49

Rank Guild Name Level Members avg. per member
1 [FTW] Farm To Win 311.91 216 91.85
2 [LAAN] The Landsraad 170.88 153 68.20
3 [RED] Red Team 303.71 129 102.59
4 [SWAG] Thx for the lulz Epsi, It`s been fun 172.86 104 74.11
5 [RD] Reservoir Dogs 171.50 68 71.13
6 [G.A.] Galactic Alliance 143.42 66 60.59
7 [WP] WolfPack 130.61 46 55.55
8 [BLACK] Black Ops 124.37 41 64.24
9 [XXV] The Bloody 25th 88.51 40 42.69
10 [SICO] Socially Inept Care Organization 113.43 35 56.14
11 [UWFA] United Worlds of Free Alliances 86.98 24 44.13
12 [^HR^] Human Resources say: You Are Fired! 132.19 23 84.38
13 [STEEL] Steel Alliance 128.34 20 70.27
14 [TOR] The Old Republic 71.04 14 39.93
15 [SWARM] The Swarm Of Chaos 106.27 12 73.55
16 [Abh] Humankind Empire Abh 84.26 11 61.87
17 [TBAG] Tea Baggers 125.30 10 76.25

Going by number of members per guild the only people the embargo is hurting is yourselves since the majority of top accounts is in two guilds. Economy is the most important especially after being 0 fleeted. Maximizing that economy to keep prods running is the most important. Most top players accounts are built on the derbs of enemy fleet. The only people it would hurt are the simmers. If we Ftw/Red created a trade embargo we could occ. bases more effectively knowing your low econs would not be sufficient to prod fleet fast enough to free yourselves. It would kill the server much faster. If forced we can have quiet a few non unique trades and still be able to maintain a 12k+ Econ. Lol

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Re: Server Wide Trade Embargo

Postby Soundwave » Wed 23 May, 2012 09:53

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